Delicious Library & Leopard
Delicious Library 1.6.6 (the current version) is compatible with Leopard, but it can expose a bug in Leopard for some users (apparently only on PowerPC machines). After upgrading a machine from Tiger to Leopard, Delicious Library (and, for that matter, other applications) may crash on start up because of a Leopard bug in reading your favorite Bluetooth devices. Fortunately, the fix is simple, permanent, and fixes all other applications that use Bluetooth devices:
As far as minor bugs go, there are some drawing glitches where the details panel doesn't refresh properly and things get all messy looking. If that happens, just jiggle the scroll bar or resize the window and things will snap back into shape. You can minimize this by making your Delicious Library window as large as possible.
Finally, the big question on everyone's mind is what's going on with Delicious Library 2? We were really hoping to get it out the door on the same day as Leopard, but the realities of developing on a beta operating system were such that we couldn't really begin the final stretch of development until we had the final build of Leopard.
So, as of today, we're putting that last coat of wax on what is turning out to be a huge release, both in terms of new features, and in terms of massive, untested (that is, Leopard) architecture. Once that's done, we'll start the Quality Assurance process. The beta testers will ultimately decide the final release date.
Rest assured, we're eager to get Delicious Library 2 into your hands sooner than later. I think I speak for all of us when I say you're going be blown away, assuming you're willing to pony up for the $20 upgrade price. I'm not bragging, I'm actually concerned for your safety. We're recommending all users purchase and have handy extra underpants before trying Delicious Library 2 for the first time, because you may literally crap your pants.
Man, it feels good to be out from under that Non-Disclosure Agreement.
That should do it for show-stopping bugs, but if you find anything else, please let us know.
- Select the Bluetooth pane in System Preferences.
- Delete all devices, re-pairing as necessary.
- There is no step 3.
As far as minor bugs go, there are some drawing glitches where the details panel doesn't refresh properly and things get all messy looking. If that happens, just jiggle the scroll bar or resize the window and things will snap back into shape. You can minimize this by making your Delicious Library window as large as possible.
Finally, the big question on everyone's mind is what's going on with Delicious Library 2? We were really hoping to get it out the door on the same day as Leopard, but the realities of developing on a beta operating system were such that we couldn't really begin the final stretch of development until we had the final build of Leopard.
So, as of today, we're putting that last coat of wax on what is turning out to be a huge release, both in terms of new features, and in terms of massive, untested (that is, Leopard) architecture. Once that's done, we'll start the Quality Assurance process. The beta testers will ultimately decide the final release date.
Rest assured, we're eager to get Delicious Library 2 into your hands sooner than later. I think I speak for all of us when I say you're going be blown away, assuming you're willing to pony up for the $20 upgrade price. I'm not bragging, I'm actually concerned for your safety. We're recommending all users purchase and have handy extra underpants before trying Delicious Library 2 for the first time, because you may literally crap your pants.
Man, it feels good to be out from under that Non-Disclosure Agreement.
posted by Mike Lee at 12:44 AM
83 Comments:
$20 Upgrade! That is awesome! How you guys manage to make such great software (pants-crappingly good) for the tiny amount you charge is amazing to say the least.
I love version 1, I can't wait to get my grubby little bookworm fingers on Version 2.
Keep up the great work guys!
Give us more details! Give us screen shots! Please!?
Ask and you shall receive!
How can I join as a beta tester?
I would also love to help out in beta testing :)
v1 is great, I'm sure v2 will knock my (and everyone's) socks off!
As soon as DL2 comes out, I'm buying Leopard :-) It's practically *the* reason to upgrade. Maybe it should get a mention on the features page at Apple:
Cool Programs
* Can run DL2
thanks for all. will you post an email for delicious library user when you release DL 2 ??
do you have a release date.?? shall we wait for it this month? cheers!!!
At what point do new purchasers of DL 1 get grandparented for free upgrade to DL 2? I've been thinking of gifting a licence to someone :)
I'd love to be a beta tester too! :D
I've just formatted my laptop in order to do a clean Leopard install. I'm trying to decide whether to download v1 and do an upgrade to v2 or to just wait for v2 to come out.
Thanks!
Jake
communityguy.com
How do i participate in a beta test?
Can hardly wait for it. No harm done in asking for a beta, right?
This is my third request to be a beta tester. You only have 9 other comments. Please be courteous enough to respond. Thanks.
Hi Anonymous (and other beta-loving amigos),
We can't add you to the beta testing list if you don't tell us your name! Seriously, though, just email us at support@delicious-monster.com and tell us why you are qualified to test, and we will get back to you shortly.
Actually would prefer a CoverFlow-type view as opposed to the book shelves. Easier to browse, less "wasted" space.
Ha! Didn't you know that being a 'beta tester' was just secret code for 'I want it before everyone else'? ;)
I'm happy to wait for the final - any indication of ETA though?
Oh yes, and what a devilishly secret code it is. ;-)
Everyones a comedian!
I have Delicious Lib running on my old first gen Mac Mini. I just installed OS X on my new iMac.
Should I wait and install the new Delicious Lib on the iMac OR just go ahead and move my existing version over to my iMac and upgrade when the new version of Delicious Lib is released?
Thanks!
I am almost reluctant to point out the obvious, but this is pitiful.
For a couple of years you said (1) there'd be a new release of Delicious Library Real Soon Now; (2) that there'd be a new release just as soon as Leopard shipped, since you had added So Many New Features that positively required it; and now, finally (3), that--even with a six-month extension on top of Leopard's original release date--precisely because Leopard has finally been released, you obviously can't ship a new release of Delicious Library until ... well, until some time in the indefinite future. You'll let us know.
The sheer contradictoriness of this sequence of self-undermining excuses takes the breath away. Have you thought about going to work for the White House press operation?
And I'm seeing in the linked-to preview page (http://www.theocacao.com/document.page/505) that Delicious Library still doesn't fetch Library of Congress call numbers--and the reason is because you "ran out of time"?
Of all the possible reasons. Cute, but mark me down as actually infuriated.
To the person who posted this comment:
"I am almost reluctant to point out the obvious, but this is pitiful.
For a couple of years you said (1) there'd be a new release of Delicious Library Real Soon Now; (2) that there'd be a new release just as soon as Leopard shipped, since you had added So Many New Features that positively required it; and now, finally (3), that--even with a six-month extension on top of Leopard's original release date--precisely because Leopard has finally been released, you obviously can't ship a new release of Delicious Library until ... well, until some time in the indefinite future. You'll let us know.
The sheer contradictoriness of this sequence of self-undermining excuses takes the breath away. Have you thought about going to work for the White House press operation?"
You do realize they were not even given a copy of the GM of Leopard prior to it's release right? Why should they ship a product without testing on the shipping version of Leopard? Now that would be stupid!
Wow! Inexpensive upgrade for such awesome software.
I'm just curious if/when beta testing will begin. I was told I would be added to the beta list but have never been told anything since.
Regards,
Mark S.
mark@marksilver.net
mark@2600.com
In general, don't post support requests or questions to the blog comments, because we don't really keep up with them. Instead, email support@ and we'll answer you directly, or visit the forum. That said, let me go ahead and answer some of these questions.
First, to the anonymous coward who is (justifiably) annoyed at how long it's taken to get this puppy out the door:
We know! We're not delaying this because we like to tease you. Believe me, we've been working on this day in, day out for two goddamned years and we're orders of magnitude more annoyed than you are.
Should we have released version 2 for Tiger with fewer features and made version 3 the Leopard release? Probably, but that's all hindsight at this point.
As far as the current delay, I don't want to pooh-pooh what Apple's done with Leopard, but the road to release was a rocky one. It was much, much harder to write for Leopard than we expected, and I think any other developers in the same boat would agree. I would have wanted at least a binary stable seed six months ago so we could be shipping last week, but it didn't happen that way. We have a list of bugs as long as my arm, and we literally had to wait for GM to know if they'd even be fixed. Don't even get me started on the documentation.
That said, we're busting hump on the home stretch over here. It's coming together and it's going to rock, but if you ever compare us to the Bush administration again, I swear to God I will hunt you down, tie you to a chair, and tell you long-winded stories about my crazy mother.
To the other anonymous coward who is pissed off about Library of Congress numbers, calm the hell down. I wrote an AppleScript to look up the numbers and fill them in for you. More importantly, I worked with a grad student at Princeton to write a Library of Congress sorting algorithm that will make these numbers actually meaningful.
Finally, to Roy, who debates whether to install the current version of Delicious Library on his new iMac: go right ahead. There's no reason not to. If you need help moving your collection, email me.
I will be interested to see how DL 2 plays out, having just gone back to Mac after a decade on PCs. I tried DL 1.6 and it certainly looks nice, but for utility I'm hoping import/export with LibraryThing will be easy.
My ultimate perspective is from an academic one, so if it's pretty and actually helps with my research, all the better. (or I'll just take the plunge again with EndNote - which is a lot more expensive) .)
PaulofCthulhu made reference to EndNote... try "Sente" or if you are biology "Papers" which is another Apple Design Award 2007 winner.
Unless of course there are some killer features DL 2 has that would tickle the APA in me.
I'm looking forward to using the new release... Not all the new features are made public, so I'm still hoping for a bigger choice on search databases for books in languages other than English, German, French or Japanese... how about Italian, Spanish, Dutch, and so on? Delicious Library + iSight makes me lazy :-) !
"...but if you ever compare us to the Bush administration again, I swear to God I will hunt you down, tie you to a chair, and tell you long-winded stories about my crazy mother."
Very nice, Bush derangement syndrome on full display. Sorry I missed the "Your Money's Not Good Here, Conservatives" sign, must be nice to be doing so well you can insult about 40% of the country so casually.
Meh, He's entitled to dislike being compared to something he doesn't like.
It was the anonymous guy who said the White House operation was full of sheer contraditoriness and self-undermining excuses... Not Mike... Mike just said he didn't like the comparison with DL.
So take a chill pill... do you really think some minor political remark on a blog is going to offend 40% of the country? (I think 40% is a huge overestimate when you factor in the opinions of the rest of the world who might also like to buy the software... but thats a whole separate discussion).
Would you really refuse to buy an awesome product because the coders have a different political view than yours? Sounds kinda extreme.
"It was the anonymous guy who said the White House operation was full of sheer contraditoriness and self-undermining excuses... Not Mike... Mike just said he didn't like the comparison with DL."
Y'know, if I was running a business and didn't want to offend people with my political opinion, I think I'd have responded to anonymous with a "Like the White House Press Office? No comment."
As for taking a chill pill, you're right, of course. I probably overreacted out of surprise at seeing Mike's anti-Bush Admin comment on a weblog where I was expecting updates on the status of the upcoming DL release.
There's a lesson in there for someone.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BUSH_CONGRESS_AP_POLL?SITE=SCAND&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
It seems your estimate of Bush's approval rating is exaggerated by 25%.
And when exactly did Mike say anyone's money wasn't good?
You, in fact, are the one threatening to cancel a transaction because of your perception of the other party's political views. Is that hypocrisy I smell?
I'm new to Mac and new to your product; I took it for a test run and really enjoyed it, but with an upgrade just around the corner, in order to save $20 I'll have to wait to purchase.
Anonymous Annoyed Coward here, checking back in. Thank you for the very full and temperate statement of the difficulties that you've encountered. I am sure that you are, in fact, more annoyed than I am. Best of luck, and please do hurry--but above all, peace on earth. Maybe you should even take this Friday off.
I'm also sorry to have compared you to Dana Perino, or to what's-his-name who came before her. Re-reading my comments, the comparison actually made me wince! Please rest assured that even at my most rage-befogged I didn't have Ari Fleischer in mind for the comparison.
(And as far as I can tell, it's the pro-Bush person who then went on to throw his weight around in the comments, and to try to stop other people's mouths, all while bemoaning, creatively enough, how persecuted *he* supposedly is--by an independent software developer's probably holding different political opinions from his own! Please get real. In democracies, people are free to express their distaste or support for the government in power in all kinds of contexts, without feeling remotely chilled about doing so, and if you consider the alternatives I hope you'll agree that that's a wonderful thing. But peace and best wishes to you as well.)
Thanks for the links to the Academic alternatives. My area is science/historically-based and it seems that EndNote X1 may fit the bill best for my own requirements.
Still looking to seeing what DL 2.0 is like though!
Well, from reading the code writers blog over at: http://wilshipley.com/blog/ it seems to infer that DL 2 will be out once the iPhone SDK is released, so looks like sometime in February 2008.
From leopard launch, to sometime this holiday season, to February 2008...? This is not a good sign. My excitement dwindles greatly with every passing week.
This is a pity. I'm really disappointed if it will last this long until 2.0 is released.
Seems its a kind of fashion in the software-industry to not keep promises on delivery-dates nowadays.
:-(
I'm hoping it's a miss-reading of the particular blog entry, but as yet, I've not read any firm word on a release date for DL 2.0, so can only go with that inference at the moment.
Must agree that this wait is agonising. I would settle for just a firm date so that I don't keep getting excited when I go to check the web-site only to find no release and even no news!
Regular (i.e. weekly) updates would be nice. I considered applying for Beta access but I want to wait for the final product!
In anticipation...
Take as much time as you like, if it means I can scan Australian bar codes then so much the better! ;)
He can insult 40% of the country without loss of business, because how many of them are Mac users? Rednecks may talk a lot about Intelligent Design but how many of them can critically evaluate an operating system?
If people don't mind, I'm going to go off topic for just a moment and talk about Delicious Library and Leopard. I'm doing this mostly because I'm not the slightest bit interested in discussing US politics here.
Anyway, I just wanted to agree with Mike Lee's "Don't even get me started on the documentation." I find Leopard's documentation astonishingly awful, and my standards had already been lowered by Tiger.
I understand that Apple's first priority needs to be the software, but I'd rather have seen the software delayed further than go out without the documentation developers need. I wonder if Apple always planned this, or something needed to give to hit the October date. (And no, I'm not saying the date should have been pushed again. I'm saying it should have been pushed further last time.)
OOOOH, I can't wait, I can't wait, I can't wait, I can't wait!
I mean... I can wait. A leeetle longer.
And to all you farging impatient bastards: Calm the hell down! I say. It's not like your friggin life depends on DL.
You want it to actually work, don't you? Then cool your jets and let the boys get back to the codin'.
What? Delicious Library 2 is waiting for the iPhone SDK? What? No way. No freaking way.
Delicious Library 2 is waiting for one thing and one thing only: Quality Assurance.
We do things a little differently here at Delicious Monster. We don't release a known buggy product and call it a beta to protect ourselves from criticism. We beta a product we think is perfect, then as bugs are discovered, we fix them. When there are no more bugs, we release.
Now, obviously, this is a little bit of an over-simplification. Some bugs are "fixed" by being put off, or are never fixed because we can never reproduce them, or whatever. Such are the vagaries of software development.
At any rate, Delicious Library 2 is in alpha, or "early beta" if you prefer, which means we've got a few trusted sources using it to give initial reactions and bug reports while we're still fixing known bugs.
This week, without getting into too many of the details, is going to be an intense push to fix all bugs and, depending on how long some fixes take to implement, we should be in full beta by next weekend.
After that, as I've said, the beta testers will determine the release date, but I hope it's soon!
Another alternative to EndNote is Bookends from Sonny Software. It isn't the prettiest of applications but it's pretty cheap and has lots of functions, and a very responsive developer.
is beta testing going on ? (see Mike Lees post of 21 november )
Is the releasedata nearby ?
I've delayed buying DL for more then a month now... don't you have plans for a free upgrade for people buying DL during this "beta" period :) ?
hey guys,
Let me start off by saying i love delicious library! However it is getting harder and harder to continue to justify using your software when other programs are being updated and coming out with new features. it's been awhile now and i would at least like an update to the release date or possible timeline (month or hey even year) that the upgrade will come. The lack of communication is starting to feel like you guys have taken a cue from Apple Inc., the only difference is that those guys actually put out good programs every once and while. This is not meant to piss anyone off, just to state how i feel.
I guess I don't really know how many more times I can say the same thing. We wrote this for Leopard, we couldn't get all the bugs worked out by the time Leopard shipped, we're in early beta, and we're not going to ship until we get all the bugs out. If I had to guess I'd say a month, but I always feel like it will be a month.
We're working, like, 14 hours a day, every day, on this program. It doesn't leave us a lot of time to chat about it. We figure you're done hearing how good it's going to be and want to see it, so that's where our time goes.
If you want to have a big conversation on the subject, go to the forum.
http://forums.macnn.com/delicious-monster
Sorry, in my incredible newbness i never saw this forum. i will go there from now on. I did not mean to upset you man- i just have an incredible update fetish (i am the guy that checks update rumors for the Iphone every day) and am waiting and drooling for this thing to come out. it looks awsome!!! sorry to all.
happy coding!
No worries. You know how it is; fifty people ask you the same question and the next person gets yelled at and it's like "where'd that come?" Not your fault, of course.
We'll see you on the forum!
Alright I'm gonna be that dude. So I see there is growing frustration from all parties at this point on the release of DL2. I'm anxious too, I read available during the first half of dec and now I read another month, so the first half of january. By then, we're months past leopard's release. If I were you I'd cut all the buggy non-essential features, work on the important ones, and throw those cut features in DL2.1 about "a month" later. Alright, proceed to tell me how this is an awful idea, etc.
That's not a stupid idea at all. Unfortunately, the bugs we're talking about are in core architecture. We want to make damn sure you don't, say, crash, corrupt your database, and lose everything.
hmm, that's too bad. but luckily for you, I found your problem in a test build i stole from your mother. Just do a search and replace for the following:
NSAllBugsEnabled(True)
Should be
NSAllBugsEnabled(False)
Works perfectly.
ps tell wil i said you're welcome, and he can send a free license this way.
Hi. I love your product, but I must say that the hiatus taking place since last blog is irksome. I and several other users eagerly for a release date on DL 2.0. I also develop software, and understand the problem that software bugs present, but perhaps if you were to release a public alpha and let other users/developers help find the bugs then perhaps the bug problems would quickly shrink. On an ending note, to all ye at DM, keep up the good work, and most of all, keep up updated please!
PS. Go ahead and chide :P It's just an idea.
I'm not going to chide you because I agree with you. In fact, I just finished writing something very similar to your central tenet in the forum. This release has gotten too big and it's hard to keep track of it all. In general, it's a lot easier to catch regressions when you have a lot of eyes on a product than it is to have to develop with so many unreleased features you can't even remember them all.
Unfortunately, public alphas and betas are just not how we operate. I am not going to tell you why that is, because I don't know. I don't run the company, and I'm sure Wil has a good reason. I'm not going to ask him because I'd rather not interrupt him from actually getting this product shipped.
However, as a developer I have definitely taken a lesson from this: keep your releases small. Oh well, when we finally get this ship to sea it will be the best damned $20 you've ever spent.
That said, I'm not entirely sure what hiatus you're talking about, but I suppose it doesn't matter. I know what you want, and I want it to: Delicious Library 2 off my schedule and onto your hard drive.
Let me append one thought, as regards not having a public alpha / beta:
Any public product we ship becomes a support burden, even if we have a big "alpha" stamped on it and a huge disclaimer that it's not supported and that any support request will be ignored.
A big part of the beta screening process is basically figuring out if this person is going to come crying to us when they lose their data, which is basically inevitable at this point. Given that a third of the engineering team (i.e. me) is also the support team, that could have a serious impact on our ability to ship, regression tracking aside.
Plus, I'll go ahead and admit this, we have both cool features that will get cut and stupid features that should get cut. We'd rather weed those out among friends before disappointing the public at large.
Does anyone know if the latest upgrade / version of the application support comic book barcode scanning for the Mac? I know that people have asked for comic book collecting functionality in the past and I was just curious if the upgrade includes this now.
It does not, however, a user in the forums has hacked up a neat little comic book solution: http://forums.macnn.com/106/delicious-monster/353202/howto-add-comics-comics-org-delicious/
A link to the forums from the main Delicious Homepage, or at least on the Help page might be of benefit...
if there was a way I could translate frustrated comments and obsessive site checking into assistance this would be done. sadly, that's all i know about development.
Why not post a video of DL2 on YouTube ?
I would love to Beta Test! Please!
Thanks,
Jon F
Does version 2 allow you to change incorrect cover art overlays? For example: a PSP game using a PSone overlay and stretching to the PSP aspect ratio? Here's an example of what I'm talking about.
Does version 2 allow you to change incorrect cover art overlays?
Not directly, but you can edit the "format" and "platform" fields to get different covers applied.
We've also added and fixed a bunch of covers for new media and old media types based on user feedback from version one, including, like, the Japanese-only version of the NES (Famicom).
-Wil
A rare Wil Shipley appearance. Care to tell us more about what's going on, and when we're going to get the release?
What's going on is we're programming, every day, to get version 2 done. I worked yesterday. I worked today. I finished the manual item lookup sheet the day after Murray died.
It's not glamorous. I could list what bugs we fix each day, but then I wouldn't be fixing them, and that's what we need. The features are all there. We have a very small list of bugs to fix before we release the beta -- we're not going to release it with ANY known bugs. (Of course there will BE bugs, just none we knew about before.)
I don't like giving release dates because the only thing I've learned in 25 years of programming is it's impossible how long it'll take you to solve problems you don't know about yet.
-W
Wanna wish you guys good luck with the programming! Can't wait to get my hands on DL2!!!
Wil said: (snipped) ... I finished the manual item lookup sheet the day after Murray died...
-W
Sorry - "Murray" ??
Many thanks for your concern, compassion, and commitment to DL guys.
Murray -- my "longtime companda!"
No, he was my fuzzcat. Good guy. Died at age 18, which is like six thousand in human years.
-W
I just want to say that I was looking for it for a long long time, I made one when I was en pc, but, I saw yours and I bought a mac just for it (and for the rest too, but not so much). thanks, and hope to see de "dl2" asap.
up the delicious team !!!
Just got info about a new Borders Books website and it looks VERY familiar:
http://beta.bordersstores.com/online/store/Home
Mike,
This is great news about DL 2. I'm sure it will be amazing.
As a serious audiophile with a music and DVD collection totaling north of 3,000 titles I was very selective about my digital catalog software. The user friendliness and overall build quality of DL is terrific.
I will be glad to hand over the $20.
Lee
All this hype about DL2 and then...nothing. We are now well over a year since the teasers first started hitting the web and still...nothing. I've been waiting to upgrade to 10.5 until DL2 came out but alas...nothing.
Now the site even has a disclaimer to the free upgrade indicating that they are not bound to the free upgrade offer if DL2 never ships. Hmmm...
I'm glad you're looking forward to version 2 so much, but I really have to finish it before I can release it.
Good gouda takes five years to make. Good wine takes six or so. The finer things can't be rushed.
My reputation, my company, everything I have built up in my life is depending on me releasing version 2 and making it great. I'm not just going to disappear. I work on this every day. I closed 120 bugs in January alone.
-W
Will, and Co, we love your software and appreciate your efforts. There is no doubt to that. But with the release of Leopard long past, and the (promised) release of DL 2.0 nowhere in sight, despite hundreds of teasers, many of your loyal customers may be getting a little... antsy, myself included. Dabbling in development myself I understand the pressures involved in creating software, and I know how hard it is to completely debug some software. Nonetheless, I think we'd all be a little placated if you (pl.) would release, say, an update-bound beta set on a specific date... We all await your word, o talented one.
The beta is not going to be public anyways, but the current release date for it is February 25th.
This is getting pushed back almost daily, because I have a VERY limited alpha release out for 5-6 people, and they've already found issues.
There's really no point in me releasing a beta that has bugs in it that I know about -- I'll just waste your time when you report bugs I already have filed, and I'll waste mine reading those reports.
-Wil
:(
In our country (Vietnam), $20 is not just expensive. It feels both sad and stupid sitting in front of the screen dreaming that some day I would be able to use a registered version of some XYZ software... The majority of us don't even have Visa(s?) or MasterCards...
Why can't developers lower the price for their software? With $20 you might be able to buy some hamburgers only, but with $20 I can travel around Ha Noi eating 'till I explode! (Really, $20 = 360000 VND, a meal in a small food stall with rice, meat, vegetables... for 1 person = 10000 VND *max*)
You make an interesting point - I wish I could think of a way to charge people different amounts based on what country they live in, but I don't know how to do it.
The problem is, any system would immediately give rise to cheating -- if I just say, "What country are you in?" everyone would pick the cheapest country, since in most cases I don't actually ship them anything.
Do you have any ideas?
-Wil
As a followup, if you can e-mail me a tasty recipe from Vietnam, I'll upgrade you to 2.0 for free. (Just remind me once 2.0 ships.)
-Wil (wjs at mac.com)
Hmmm... is it me or did your staff reduce in number? Hope you get another tester/programmer soon. Bet it's hard to find someone as good as you though, will :P
Lucas left. He was a programmer, but his part of the project was pretty much done.
I actually don't mind writing code on my own, but I don't mind taking people on occasionally, either.
-W
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